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tom
9/09/2003
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IS ANYONE RUNNING HEATING OIL IN A NEW FORD DIESEL? ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH INJECTORS OR CAT CONVERTERS? I KNOW THERE IS QUITE A DIFFERNCE
IN PRICE.
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R C Tingle
11/28/2003
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Tom
It is illegal and the fine is steep.
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aaron
12/04/2003
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GO BIODIESEL
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Colin
12/21/2003
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heating oil is the same as regular diesel fuel except they put dye in heating oil because there is no fuel tax and there is a fine and there are no special additives for emissions
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J Tyson
1/09/2004 21:57:57
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Are you sure it's exactly the same? I used to run my shop oil furnace on diesel from a jerry can and it consumed diesel noticably faster than heating oil. Worked well, but that $50 furnace cost a whole lot less than a truck engine, I'd stay away from using it as motor fuel all the same. Thats about two cents worth, :)
 
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CheapJoe
1/12/2004 20:15:36
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I have been running home heating oil in all my diesel vehicles for years. There is no downside, it is cheaper, heating oil has higher sulpher content, which lubricates the injector pumps better. I add anti gel in the winter, and I pump it through a filter. Never had a fuel related problem.
I know it's illegal, but I buy home heating oil out of principal, the cost of diesel in NY is so artificially inflated it's ridiculous, something like 20 cents a gallon tax.
It's also very hard to get caught. They would have to syringe your fuel from your tank and have it tested. This generally only happens at weigh stations and random truck inspections. As none of my vehicles are over 10000 lbs and aren't over the road trucks, the liklelyhood is minimal. Most people don't even realize my Jetta is Diesel, even when they ride in it.
I also register my vehicles as alternate fuel, so I can run them on whatever I like, and there is no smoke test even when over 7500 lbs.
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jason
2/27/2004 12:32:06
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I AGREE 100 PERCENT WITH CHEAP JOE. THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH RUNNING #2 HEATING OIL IN A DIESEL TRUCK ENGINE. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS. LETS USE A BIG WHEEL LOADER FOR AN EXAMPLE. ALL THE OFF ROAD MACHINES USE "RED OIL" HEATING OIL. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THESE BIG ENGINES HAVING ANY TROUBLE WITH THE FUEL. I USED TO WORK FOR AN OIL COMPANY AND I HAVE FILLED MANY OF MACHINES WITH HOME HEATING OIL AND NEVER ONCE DID THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, EVEN IN THE COLDEST OF NEW YORK WINTERS. I MYSELF OWN A FORD DIESEL AND SINCE IT WAS NEW I HAVE USED HEATING OIL. I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM EITHER.
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GmDieselTech
2/27/2004 14:09:17
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Jason, please stop posting in all caps and be considerate of others here... it is like YELLING... i know someone else mentioned it and i also commented on it before...
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DieselLuvr
2/27/2004 16:13:17
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I am a NYC firefighter and we have mostly diesel vehicles. Most firehouses have two tanks one large called the House tank for heating oil and one small one for use in vehicles.
They actually two kinks of fuel one for vehicles and heating oil for the oil burner. The oil delivery guys constantly put the wrong fuel in the wrong tank all the time.
To make a long story short the heating oil works fine in the vehicles. These range from tractor trailers, to suburbans with 6.5s to powerstrokes in the ambulances.
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Boss
3/04/2004 18:09:30
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How about such cars as VW Jetta TDI ??? Any special maintenance for that ??? Anyone ???
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DieselLuvr
3/04/2004 22:10:57
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no special maintenance. The only difference between heating oil and over the road fuel is the tax, the dye color, and road fuel has some additives so that it doesn't congeal in the cold.
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Cheap Joe
3/05/2004 09:36:14
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I run home heating oil in my Jetta exclusively, I only use road fuel when on really long trips and my 5 gal can in my trunk runs out.
100K later and no fuel related problems.
I also ran home heating oil in my old style diesel 90 Jetta, and ended up selling it with 298K
also ran it in my 82 Nissan Maxima Diesel that car lasted 415k
also have 223k on my Vandura with 6.2
I take special delight in evading the taxes. That lowers the cost of ownership even more to what are already very economical vehicles.
I bought a 300 gallon skid mounted tank, and a 12volt pump from grainger, also put service station type filter and nozzle on it. My truck hasn't been to a gas station in years. My oil guy fills the tank when he delivers to the house, never once asked what it was for.
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tony roma
3/05/2004 09:44:03
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Take a ride by your local oil company's yard. You'll find that they all drive diesels. Everything from the big delivery trucks, down to salesmans cars are usually diesels of some sort.
Also take a ride by your local bus company. Look at what the big boss drives for a personal car. Ususally a big duramax or powerstroke, why? Because they're filling it up for free in the yard. The state ususally supplies the fuel for bus companies, it's lowest bidder no2 oil.
Why do you think that is?
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kory
3/05/2004 15:33:17
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are you guys talking about kerosene
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DieselLuvr
3/06/2004 10:33:25
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No number 2 home heating oil
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Audi
3/22/2004 09:09:35
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Is it possible to filter out the dye and if so how.
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Aubrey Freeborn
3/22/2004 13:21:17
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Due to low volume requirements of stove oil and furnace oil in NFLD, oil Companys do not find it necessary to stock such oils at the tank farms. All fuel oils sold as furnace and stove oil is in fact marine gas oil. This is a higher quality product that we are blessed with to supply the furnace as home heating. The delivery slip state furnace oil for tax exempt purpose only and not for the fuel quality. So, in NFLD there's no such thing as furnace oil and stove oil.
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Freddy - U.K.
3/23/2004 21:30:31
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Here in the U.K. we have two types of heating oil that I am aware of. One is 23 seconds, and the other is 28 seconds. I believe this refers to the time it takes to ignite ? What one of these fuels are you guys using. Here in the U.K. diesel costs approx. $6.41 (3.64 British Pounds)a gallon, and Heating oil is $2.10 a gallon.
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Cheap Joe
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3/26/2004 22:30:10
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Here in the US home heating oil costs $1.15 and diesel is $1.89 at the pump. These are this weeks prices in the northeast. They fluctuate quite a bit with the futures market.
As you can see there is quite a price difference, which adds up even more over the life of the vehicle.
I don't know of any way to filter the dye out, but unless you run commercial trucks over the road there's no need to. I'm on my 5th diesel car and have never been stopped or heard of anyone being stopped to have their fuel syringed. They are mostly worried about trucks evading the state tax.
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pup
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3/28/2004 23:36:31
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They always check pickups fuel at large farm
machinery shows if you would attend be sure
to have legal road fuel in your tank
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Audi
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3/29/2004 06:27:59
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I'm driving in rural Europe where the odds of getting checked are also very low, but if one can filter out the dye then it is far less conspicuous when one takes his car to get serviced - that no signs of red dye appear. In Europe they are crazy about taxing people to the hilt and I believe that the garages are required to report any signs of heating oil. In any case, I've read that it's possible to filter, but exactly how I haven't been able to find.
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Cheap Joe
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4/04/2004 19:52:48
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You can either fill up with regular fuel, before you get service or visit a farm show, or tell them that you run biodisel and put ATF in it for lubricity.
BTW they have to syringe your tank and send it to a lab to convict you. Just having the the wrong color is not good enough, because additives could change the color.
Do you have a similar dye system in Europe?
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Dave
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4/05/2004 20:37:26
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I am looking for an additive to combat what a compitetor is sellins as premium off road diesel.
It is a soy based additive called glo shield. It is supposed to do everything but the dishes. If any know of a bulk additive to be mixed in a fuel delivery truck for resale, please let me know.
Thanks
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DieselLuvr
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4/06/2004 20:09:26
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What's wrong with Amsoil or Power Service?
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Audi
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4/08/2004 10:31:08
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Cheap Joe, thanks for your comments. Yes, we have the same dye system in Europe. We pay Euro 3.50 or 4.20 US a gallon so something has got to be done. What about staining, does the dye discolor the filter or any other parts permanently.
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Z
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4/19/2004 23:04:30
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Here in Yorkshire UK I pay $1.46/gallon for my heating oil and $6.13/gallon for diesel!! Guess what I'm doing tomorrow!!
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Cheap Joe
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4/21/2004 20:39:10
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I have heard that the dye will discolor some parts like clear fuel lines. I would replace anything clear with opaque or sleeve it with a wire loom or something so that your mechanic cannot see it and open his big mouth to someone.
Like I said earlier it's almost unheard of to get checked in a car, they don't really use enough fuel to be of concern. They are mostly worried about the big trucks. Then they have to syringe your fuel and send it to a lab to get a conviction. So unless something goes horribly wrong like you rear end a DOT inspector, you should be relatively safe.
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John
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8/27/2004 20:28:30
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The Future of DISCOUNT HEATING OIL. http://www.codfuel.com
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Bob Acabono
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8/30/2004 10:42:39
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Don't waste your time with the above link, unless you live in LI NY. I tried 6 zip codes all over the country, with no availability.
The guy emailed and said that they were new, and are trying to get suppliers on board, right now they can only do Long Island and somwhere in Maine.
He should know better than to post a home heating link in a diesel forum, as you all know the consequences of using home heating oil in your road rig.
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Sean
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8/30/2004 13:42:56
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How long can you store heating oil or diesel for?
Does it go bad after a while?
I have a friend that want's to sell me an overhead bulk tank for cheap, that happens to be over half full..Should I just add some product like HEAT to it?
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Brianwb1
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9/11/2004 23:14:42
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I heard that, aside from the legallity of home heating oil, it will clogg your fuel system (filter in particular). Isn't this correct? To anyone who ones a 6.5 TD, how do you change the glow plugs on the turbo side? Remove the turbo?
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Frank Drakman
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10/09/2004 19:10:24
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hi does any one know how to get the dye out of the heating oil have been useing #2 for a while but use it in my dump truck and dont want to run the risk of getting sticked any help would be apprciated
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DieselLuvr
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10/09/2004 19:34:30
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If you filter your fuel down to 30 microns when pumping it will not clog the filter.
There's no way to get the dye out, that's why they do it. If you're running a commercial vehicle over the road you should really have legit fuel in it. If your operating off road then heating oil is fine.
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Peter
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11/01/2004 09:54:31
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currently waiting several days for furnace oil delivery, is there any problems or concerns by using auto diesel on my boiler.
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Diesel
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11/16/2004 22:00:19
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I have a friend who has a tank made on his pickup that fills the whole bed 1", and carries approx 100 gallons, and plus the tank on the truck carries 50 gallons. He fills both up and runs about 2-3 weeks without refuelling. It really saves him a lot of money with heating oil.
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DieselLuvr
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11/16/2004 22:24:44
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heating oil and road fuel are identical except for the tax and the dye.
I've never seen that kind of tank setup, most people here have the cross bed excavator style.
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duncan
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11/24/2004 15:19:46
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can you tell me is there a new stove oil on the market oil and kersen mix. thanks
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john
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11/26/2004 17:43:51
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so can you run your oil burning furnace with diesel?
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DieselLuvr
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11/26/2004 18:04:46
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Yes you can.
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Jim
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12/02/2004 16:20:28
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Can i use any diesl anti-gel product i find in an auto parts store in my home heating oil tank? Does anyone have any recommendations on brands?
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laura
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12/10/2004 10:19:34
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How long does #2 heating oil last in a 3,000 gallon tank before it starts breaking down?
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jimbo
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12/11/2004 00:51:20
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It lasts the same as any other size tank
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stevieturbo
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12/12/2004 16:46:45
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Ive just come across this, and its interesting...
Im also in the UK, and as already mentioned our diesel prices are even more extortionate than yours in the US ( by a long way )
You mention #2 heating oil.. what do you mean by this ??
Heating oil here is 28 sec, whereas Red/Gasoil is referred to as 35 sec.
What is the difference ???
Ive often heard of people using heating oil, but those people often added oil, or mixed it with diesel etc, claiming it lubricated the pump, and was necessary.
Is plain old heating oil safe for use in any diesel engine ??
red diesel is getting very hard to come by now, so heating oil, if it wasnt going to spell disaster for the engine would be a good alternative.
As for the red dye, if you can be bothered, there are certain types of cat litter, that if you filter red through it, it wil remove the dye.
here's another thread that cropped up on a forum I use.
http://www.petrolheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=128986&f=66&h=0
its quite long, but I'd be interested in any comments.
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dan
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12/13/2004 12:59:25
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does andy one know what will happen to my 2001 TDI since I ran gas in it. Its in the shop but I want to be prepared.
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John
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12/15/2004 09:57:06
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John
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12/15/2004 10:00:54
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John
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12/15/2004 10:01:31
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John
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12/15/2004 10:01:38
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D.J. Ives
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12/28/2004 05:20:15
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28 sec and 35 sec is the viscosity rating of the oil. ( How thick it is). A small ball bearing is released in a column of the oil and its descent is timed. Hence the two standard grades of fuel.
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