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John
6/30/2003
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My '93 Dodge w/Cummins started fine for years, then, overnight,won't start (its 95 degrees out, so not a cold weather thing). Turns over fine but won't fire. Plugged in the engine heater thinking that if it started I had a glow plug problem. Still would not start.
Can you advise on the possible problems and how I might diagnose them? Are there fuses, relays, other that I should start with. Also wondering if perhaps it is a fuel pump issue. Ideas?
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Scott Stewart
11/23/2003
15:30:06 | RE: cummins won't start
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1998 24 valve cummins. I chnaged the fuel filter, now won't start, do I have air in the fuel line? How do I get it out?
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Scott
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cumminspro
11/24/2003
01:08:17 | RE: cummins won't start
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To Scott
Did you fill the fuel filter up with diesel? If not break the lines loose on the injectors until you get fuel coming out with no air bubbles in it and it should crank right up
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Mike
11/24/2003
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To Cumminspro
Must be the season. I just changed my fuel filter on my 98 dodge, filled it up with diesel and it started then died in about 3-5 seconds. I have been cranking the motor for a second to get the fuel pump to pump. Have been doing this for 20 or so tries. How long should it take to get the air out of the lines simplymike@cox.net
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cumminspro
11/24/2003
22:39:22 | RE: cummins won't start
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If you break the lines loose at the injectors, it should not take long since you filled the filter with fuel.
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Mike
11/24/2003
23:46:22 | RE: cummins won't start
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To: Cumminspro,
Thanks so much for the reply. After further tinkering, I realized I wasn't getting any fuel, so I pressurized the tank and got fuel to the lifter pump, then the battery died. It's on a charger now and hopefully I can get the rest of the air out tomorrow.
Thanks again for your help.
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Anonymous
11/26/2003
12:08:45 | RE: cummins won't start
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When you break the lines loose at the injectors you need to crank the engine until fuel squirts out, it will not work if you dont crank the engine. Be careful about cranking an engine that has run out of fuel. If cranked too long, severe damage to the injection pump will occur. Diesel fuel is the only thing that lubricates the close tolerance internal parts. For the first letter, I would guess an electrical problem is causing your truck not to start. I would start by checking the fuses, then check for power to the fuel shutoff solenoid @ the injection pump.
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scott
3/14/2004 12:50:17
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I have a 99 Dodge and I think it ran out of fuel. It has been sitting in the shop mostly but would be run and moved occasionally. I put fuel in it but she won't go, so I bled the lines. I only get a dribble out of the injector lines. Can anyone please help.
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dmhaney
3/20/2004 13:41:58
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I stopped at the store and my 2001 cummins diesel would not start. Turned over fine, but would not start. I changed the filter in the parking lot and it cranked right up. Drove it home parked it and a couple of hours later it would not start. After turning the engine over and over with the starter, it starts up. Killed the motor and she wouldn't start.
Do you think there could still be air in the lines after driving home 20 miles from the store?
Mark
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darrell
3/24/2004 22:00:40
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My 95 dodge quit so I flipped up the fuel shut off . A new one is $400. I wonder if there is a after market celenoid cheaper or where I can get a used one..
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darrell
3/24/2004 22:01:21
| need a fuel celenoid for 5.9
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My 95 dodge quit so I flipped up the fuel shut off . A new one is $400. I wonder if there is a after market celenoid cheaper or where I can get a used one..
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Chris Stewart
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3/26/2004 20:04:56
| Time to end these 24 valvers lift pump troubles
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I keep reading about these lift pumps failing and killing the injector pumps. Are these ripoff lift pumps assigned(sold) to the poor owners of these engines the only pumps that'll work? In a world full of diesel fueled vehicles, isn't there a lift pump that'll meet the requirements of the injector pump? The 124K, 18 year old gasoline fuel pump in my '86 Cutlass still holds pressure in spec for a TBI no less. The diaphram lift pump on Ol'92/w 5.9BTA has 136K and works fine.
I'd really like to upgrade but with the dowel pin troubles on the '94 to 2000 engines, 5th gear coming loose on the 5 spd's. and now the 24 valver's junky lift pumps killing the injector pump$$$...I think I'll jes' keep Ol'92.
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Mark
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4/02/2004 20:46:21
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My 95 has problems starting if I let the truck sit for any period of time with th noise pointed up hill. Starts fine with the noise pointed down hill. Check fuel system seems to hold pressure!!!! any ideas
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Mark
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C.L. Copeland
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4/11/2004 22:13:34
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I have a 95 Dodge Diesel one ton.It has started dying on me going down the highway.It will just start loosing power and finally die.You can stay on the starter for a while and it will start back up like it has air in the lines.I have checked fuel lines,return line,put on a new fuel pump cleaned the settlement bowl even put an electric pump back at the tank and it still does it.I took the fuel shutoff solenoid off and cleaned it.I cut about 1 inch off of the spring and put it back on.So far it has not missed a stroke.I don't know if I have fixed it or not.Somebody help me.
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steve waldron
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5/07/2004 23:30:18
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hi there
well the problem's i have been haveing is that about 1500 rpm i loose all power on my 5.9 modified cummins so i went down to the local becer diesel and bought a new lift pump. truck fired up great and had all the power in the world and now it is doing the same thing. you stomp on the accelerater and it will just sit till it breaks 1500 rpm then it burps out a cloud of black smoke and its off ( do you think it could be the vp44) thank steve go_diesel2001@yahoo.com
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matt frank
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5/11/2004 14:55:15
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I just put a new starter in and cleaned ALL the connections, and still wont start it will turn over but not enough to start it. i put the jump pack up to it and tried to get it to turn a little longer and it still wouldnt turn enough.
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Brad
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6/06/2004 00:41:20
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I Changed my fuel filter and filled it up with diesel and it won't start. I cracked the line at the lift pump and i'm not getting any fuel to there. Is it possible that my fuel pump was not working and the lift pump was doing all the work and now that I changed the filter there was too much air for the lift pump to pick up the fuel again?
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Brad
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6/06/2004 00:46:52
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I have a 98 24v dodge. I Changed my fuel filter and filled it up with diesel and it won't start. I cracked the line at the lift pump and i'm not getting any fuel to there. Is it possible that my fuel pump was not working and the lift pump was doing all the work and now that I changed the filter there was too much air for the lift pump to pick up the fuel again?
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DieTech
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6/06/2004 13:13:31
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My God you guys!
Firstly, the bosch ve pump does not like to push air. If you loosen the injector pipe nuts at the injectors and turn the engine over until fuel is squirting out, then it should be a fairly quick start. There will not be a lot of fuel comming out though, so do not worry about that.
If there is still a starting problem after that then you can chase other things, like... the shutoff solenoid. Make sure it clicks (ever so quietly) when the power is on. Or it could be that your center plug is loose and need to be tightened.. in which case you should concided getting a new one put in. Don't worry, they don't cost a fortune and it can be done on engine.
Of course there are some other things which could be wrong as well, but if all you did was change out your filter, then at the very least this is a good place to start.
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ROLO
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6/07/2004 01:30:47
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I have a 94 5.9 it was idling high and then just turned off. I have check fuel at pump,theres plenty of fuel. I pinched of the return line. still no start. I have loosened all injector fuel lines. I have checked shut off solenoid. It is working properly. I have checked the pump gear to make sure that it turns. Is there a governor in the pump? You can contact me at 702-813-8565
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TIM
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6/14/2004 04:20:03
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I have a 2000 that would not start.So I had it towed to the dealer and thay changed the crank sensor and lift pump.The truck ran fine for two weeks.The other day I left for work and the truck shut off and would not start.?????
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TIM
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6/14/2004 04:31:54
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I have a 2000 that would not start.So I had it towed to the dealer and thay changed the crank sensor and lift pump.The truck ran fine for two weeks.The other day I left for work and the truck shut off and would not start.?????
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C. L. Copeland
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6/30/2004 21:06:28
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My old 95 has been running fine for a couple of months.It now has got hard to start.You got to wear the starter out.It will finally start and run like crap for a while.It will finally clear up and run like a charm.If you kill it and let it set for ten minutes--- you got to go through the procedure again.I put mechanical linkage on the cutoff valve because the solenoid had gone bad.The solenoid has two sets of windings.One is large wire for pulling in.The other winding is fine wire for holding in at lower amps.The pull in windings were either bad or I was not getting voltage to them.You could manually pull it in and it would stay.I am just about ready to set this thing on fire.After sitting for ten minutes you have to stand on the starter forever to get it started.HELP
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Greg
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7/01/2004 02:44:16
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Sounds like what mine was doing, I found my problem to be the batteries. They were not turning the engine over fast enough to crank. The voltage while cranking was dropping to 10 volts. Just an idea, Let me know what you find?
Greg
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Ron
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7/02/2004 12:19:48
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I just bought my 96 Dodge 2500 Turbo Cummings, it is my first diesel, I drove it home and had no problems, but I did find lose termnal cables on the battries, this not good at 17to1 compression it takes a lot of cold cranking amps to turn this bad pupy over, so I cleaned em up tightened em up and covered them in silacon. As for the fuel filter Change I don't want to mess it , I go to my favorit Mechanic if he screws it up its on him I just pay the man.
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Jeff Miller
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7/07/2004 18:00:14
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My 99 Dodge 2500 Cummins just died while driving 45-50 mph down a flat stretch of road. Weather was 70 degrees. It has about 1/4 tank of fuel. It's got about 50K miles on it. Has anyone had this happen? I changed the fuel filter thinking it was clogged. Refilled the filter bowl with fuel and purged the air out the brass bolt on the top. It still will not start. There is no indication on the dash lights that indicate anything is wrong. I suspect that there is still air in the system. What I gather is that the shutoff solenoid may have failed. Where is this located? I guess I'll try to purge the air from the injector lines next. Also, how do you "pressurize the tank"? I've read this on this thread...Not sure what that means. Fuel tank?
Thanks for any help you can offer.
-Jeff
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kevin murray
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9/10/2004 10:29:33
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My 99 dodge cummins had been dying on me at a 1/4 tank.Then it started to do it above 1/4 tank.I used to just put some fuel in the tank,crack the injectors and it would fire right up.The other day I was going 45 mph when it just died, it had a half tank of fuel.So I put 10 gallons in the tank and tried to crack the injector lines.This time no fuel or a very little will come out and the engine will not fire at all.If anyone can help with this problem I would appreciate the help.
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Kindell
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9/23/2004 11:54:15
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wifes 97 Dodge cummins won't start,replaced solenoid,still will not start, am able to reach under solenoid and push the rod up w/ key on, it will click and stay in place, am able to start and run truck. I am thinking I have a relay out, checked power to solenoid and have power to one wire only w/ switch on. on fire wall lip above master cylinder have two relays one small,one large are either one of these what I'm looking for??
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Chris Stewart
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9/24/2004 22:00:15
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I bought a '01 24 valve anyway after doing some checking.
The first thing I bought was a fuel pressure guage to check the lift pump pressure before I bought the truck and it was in spec...jes' barely.
It showed 10 psi @ idle and 7psi full chat.
You have to watch the lift pump fuel pressure on a '98.5 to '02 24 valve & you can't watch it without a guage because as previously mentioned , the injector pump needs wet fuel to lubricate and cool the inards..simple as that. Without fuel it'll wear out and heat up the electrical inards too.
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Leonard
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10/07/2004 00:24:27
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First of all what was happening was while driving down the highway there would be no throttle, would put in nuetral rev throttle then back in drive then throttle was back.
Now when trying to start it we have power but it won't role over. We have a 1998 2500dodge diesel. Thank you
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Dan MacDonald
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10/08/2004 10:27:49
| VP44 Woes....
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I have seen it and have done several! I would like to make a suggestion for a better lift pump. I like the FASS systems by Diesel Performance Products. They are pricey but you get 17 psi pressure at idle and (in my case) with a 400 RWHP truck, i cant get it to drop under 15 PSI!!! Plus you get a little bump in preformance! I would highly suggest it!
Also, if any are in need of a VP44, i can get them a a pretty good price. I would be willing to pass that on to any that need one.
Remember, its not a matter of if! It's when!
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Terrence
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11/04/2004 15:23:24
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5.9 dodge diesel has been working fine, till one morning the engine cranked, started, then stalled. It would start at all afterwards. Did replace the starter, batteries, and some fuses, solenoid looks fine. Has 135K miles, and help to get it back on the jobsite will be greatly appreciated.
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Dale K.
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11/05/2004 08:43:28
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There's 2 relays on the firewall for the fuel shutoff sol. If one is bad it'll crank forever without starting.
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kody burch
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11/12/2004 16:56:45
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My dodge sat for maybe 20 mins since shut off and i can't get it to crank. i jumped the starter to see if it would spinn and it still spins just wondering what i could check next
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chris
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11/14/2004 02:01:22
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2002 5.9l.... cummins. put a lift pump and injection pump on reseal all line's. but every morring truck will not start have to turn over for a long time then it start's. run's good all day next day will not start. the left pump sound like it running a lot goes on and off went the key is on..... and i here the injection pump selanoid is clicking on and off with out cranking over motor. sdont know what to do next. need some advise. help please........ chris
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chris
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11/14/2004 03:07:09
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2002 5.9l.... cummins. put a lift pump and injection pump on reseal all line's. but every morring truck will not start have to turn over for a long time then it start's. run's good all day next day will not start. the left pump sound like it running a lot goes on and off went the key is on..... and i here the injection pump selanoid is clicking on and off with out cranking over motor. sdont know what to do next. need some advise. help please........ chris
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chris
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11/14/2004 03:09:26
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2002 5.9l.... cummins. put a lift pump and injection pump on reseal all line's. but every morring truck will not start have to turn over for a long time then it start's. run's good all day next day will not start. the left pump sound like it running a lot goes on and off went the key is on..... and i here the injection pump selanoid is clicking on and off with out cranking over motor. sdont know what to do next. need some advise. help please........ chris
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Robert Little
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12/20/2004 08:39:12
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I have a friend that has a 95 dodge cummins,He left here yesterday,called me 472 miles from sayin that the truck when hit 80mph would surge[like losin power and gainin]i told him to stop at truck stop,pick up some diesel supplement,he said that worked fine after.This morning he calls from penn somewhere,we live in missouri by the way,he shut it off went back out there to start it 20 min later,wont start,he said sounds like no diesel fuel gettin to it.Any ideas what it could be?Truck has somewhere 120,000 miles on it.Everything on the truck that has been replaced has been strictly cummins parts,even the oil.The truck in the last month has had the muffler taken off and straight pipe all the way out the back now,could this have affected something?Please reply soon,May have to drive to penn haul him back.U might see powerstroke haulin cummins otherwise!
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josh
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12/22/2004 21:45:38
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try roll starting it
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stuart lane
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12/24/2004 21:15:42
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my 2001 dodge 2500 turbo diesle died at 75 and it felt like i ran out of gas. i found what looks like 2 wires exiting the harness and connecting to the bottom of the fuel pump with a plastic connector. it looks like the sever bend the wires were forced to take to snap into place finally broke one or both. so i left it on the highway to try to figure out how to repair it since it looks to be broken right at the connector. but now i see all these comments about fuel cutoff solenoids. if it is a soenoid problem, would the fuel pump still kick on when the key is turned? the first thing i noticed is no pump noise. i do hear one or 2 very faint clicks more or less near where the steering collum comes thru the firewall. are the clicks the sound of functioning cutoff solenoids?? and if it turns out to be the broken wire that i suspect, can i buy just one new connctor instead of a complete wiring harness? it's christmas eve and my beloved truck is on the side of the road 100 miles away. HELP!!
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CARL
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12/24/2004 22:03:20
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GUYS.....cummins/ dodge truck have a hand pump under the fuel filter...it does wonders to save cranking on the starter motor.
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Chris Stewart
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12/27/2004 17:07:17
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Only the '90-'98 Cummins/Dodge have the hand priming lift pumps. The '98.5-'02 have an electric lift pump that aren't easy to prime. I read where some people use air to pressurize the fuel tank with very little pressure to get fuel through the lift pump to prime it. I relocated my lift pump to the frame rail so it'll get the fuel gravity feed when I replaced the original one due to low pressure...10psi idle/7psi full throttle, now is 15psi idle/10psi full throttle.
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John
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1/23/2005 11:37:18
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I have a 2003 Dodge 5.9 l. cummins. I have a no start condition when temperature is below freezing. It's been to the dealer twice. The first time it was a lifter pump, the second was a gelled fuel filter. I replaced the fuel filter and put a non gelling additive into the fuel tank. It seemed to work well but this morning the truck would not start and I have had it plugged in all night. Do you have any suggestions because it is about to run out of warranty.
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Chris Stewart
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1/23/2005 16:24:12
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Because I know so little about the '03's & newer, I can't offer anything about getting your motor started but when you do get it started, you might take up the habit of adding a fuel conditioner with every fueling and don't open the nozzle full open so's not to pull up any water from the underground tanks. Sorry for not being any help.
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tony
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1/29/2005 21:27:23
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I have a 99 DODGE WITH A CUMMINS. FOR ABOUT THE LAST 3 WEEKS WHEN I FIRST START IT UP IN THE MORNING IT WOULD TRY TO DIE AFTER RUNNING FOR ABOUT 10 SECONDS AND THEN AGAIN ABOUT 5 SECONDS LATER. NORMALLY I AM ABLE TO KEEP IT RUNNING BUT THIS MORNING IT SHUT OFF COMPLETELY TWICE AND AFTER THE SECOND TIME IT WOULD NOT START BACK UP. IT DID POUR OUT ALOT OF WHITE SMOKE AFTER IT STARTED AFTER THE FIRST TIME IT DYED. hAS ANYONE GOT A CLUE TO WHAT WOULD CAUSE THIS?
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Chris Stewart
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1/30/2005 19:25:13
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Your computer needs scanning, I've read that Autozone will rent you a scan tool then if you want a 2nd opinion what the trouble code is, we'll talk about it here.
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Mike
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2/13/2005 16:36:58
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I have 00' cummings 5.9L. At 76k miles the lift pump went out. Had all the symptons discussed on this forum. First it just lost all power while driving to work. Then the next day it just would not start. The lift pump was replaced and it has worked fine since. Is there a replacement for the stock lift pump?
best of luck to all.
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Shirley
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2/20/2005 14:09:57
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I have a 1998 24 V eng 3500, I am getting coded again about injector timing, et all fuel pump or injector pump this will be my 4th time this pump made it 17,000 miles of course 12,000 mile warenty go figure, could something else be causing these problems, I love my Truck but can't afford the repairs every yr and a half it only has 130,000 miles on this engine. The last time the lift pump and injector pump were replaced in a cummins shop. Anyone who can help,
thank you.
Shirley running out of money LOL
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Jeff
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2/21/2005 11:36:25
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I have to manually push up the fuel shut off solenoid each time I start my 94 dodge cummins. I've taken the solenoid off and found it has no pull at all on the plunger until pushed all the way in. This has been the case on 2 new solenoids. I'm wondering if I don't have enough voltage going to it or if I've gotten bad parts?
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Dale K.
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2/21/2005 12:01:40
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Jeff, it sounds like the shutoff sol. relay on the firewall isn't working.
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nathan
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2/21/2005 15:27:46
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DODGE DODGE DODGE haha well all i have to say is well when you run it out of gas or anything; air gets inside the fuel line. under the throttle body there should be a little pump to push in with like a screw driver but on all diesels its the same way hit that pump a few times and have someone in the cab turn the key on and try and fire it up after about 2-3 min and it should fire up if not you got problems
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